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2520 Questions and Answers a Running Dialogue
Comments:
I'm not convinced the 2520 is something
Adventists are supposed to be teaching. Ellen White to my knowledge
never mentions 2520, she has plenty to say on the 2300. It was never a
pillar of faith either after 1863. If it was important out top
evangelists would be teaching it too. I think it is a device to
sidetrack us. Youre welcome to try to convince me, but I need to see
clear evidence it is for real and has prophetic value but I do not think
it does.
SB
Answer
Dear Mr. SB,
You
have brought forth many statements below I will first address the 2520
independent of the other statements. Then I will respond to each
separately.
For
Sister White and those who went through the experience of 1840-44 the
2520 was equated with the scattering and gathering of God's people. As
to her not stating anything specifically you are correct ie., by saying
2520 year prophecy. Did she know it and believe in it you can find that
in her writings which have been included for your review below.
As to me
trying to convince you that will never happen. For I know I cannot
convince anyone of any subject. No matter how eloquent the oratory or
how well written the argument. It is the Holy Spirit that does this, so
my request which I am sure that you will do is to pray and ask the Lord
to guide you through this understanding.
First,
is a question have you looked at the 1843 Chart? You will find it here:
http://www.2520yearprophecycom/1843Chart.htm
You will
note that the 2520 Chart is in the top right hand corner of the Chart
and it is mentioned twice. The following is EGW comment in regards to
the Chart.
September
23, the Lord showed me that He had stretched out His hand the second
time to recover the remnant of His people, [SEE PAGE 86.] and that
efforts must be redoubled in this gathering time. In the scattering,
Israel was smitten and torn, but now in the gathering time God will heal
and bind up His people. In the scattering, efforts made to spread the
truth had but little effect, accomplished but little or nothing; but in
the gathering, when God has set His hand to gather His people, efforts
to spread the truth will have their designed effect. All should be
united and zealous in the work. I saw that it was wrong for any to refer
to the scattering for examples to govern us now in the gathering; for if
God should do no more for us now than He did then, Israel would never be
gathered. I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of
the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were
as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of
the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed.
(EW74)
In
the above quote you can see that EGW acknowledged the 1843 Chart which I
am sure you have looked at and can see the 2520. That the Chart was
directed by the hand of the Lord. If you believe she is a prophet this
should be sufficient proof and this is the first proof point.
The
following quotes from EGW are in regards to the Message that was given
from 1840 to 44 and that information is what you see on the Chart and
that includes the 2520. You can see by the above statement that she is
referring to the scattering time. This is consistent in what we find in
Lev:26:33
Please note the
following quotes:
•
Those who stand as teachers and leaders in our institutions
are to be sound in the faith and in the principles of the third angel's
message. God wants His people to know that we have the message as He
gave it to us in 1843 and 1844. We knew then what the message meant, and
we call upon our people today to obey the word, "Bind up the law among
My disciples." In this world there are but two classes,--the obedient
and the disobedient. To which class do we belong? (GCB April 1st
1903)
•
The warning has come: Nothing is to be allowed to come in that
will disturb the foundation of the faith upon which we have been
building ever since the message came in 1842, 1843, and 1844. I was in
this message, and ever since I have been standing before the world, true
to the light that God has given us. We do not propose to take our feet
off the platform on which they were placed as day by day we sought the
Lord with earnest prayer, seeking for light. Do you think that I could
give up the light that God has given me? It is to be as the Rock of
Ages. (GCB April 6th 1903)
•
We have, as had John, a message to bear of the things which we
have seen and heard. God is not giving us a new message. We are to
proclaim the message that in 1843 and 1844 brought us out of the other
churches. We need the Holy Spirit to kindle in our hearts the zeal and
earnestness that were then seen among God's people. I thank the Lord
that there are still living a few who can remember those days, and who
know whereof they speak.(RH Jan 19th 1905)
•
The truths that we received in 1841, '42, '43, and '44 are now
to be studied and proclaimed. The messages of the first, second, and
third angels will in the future be proclaimed with a loud voice. They
will be given with earnest determination and in the power of the
Spirit.(15MR Ltr 75 1905)
•
All the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible
now, for there are many people who have lost their bearings. The
messages are to go to all the churches. {21MR 437.1}(LTR 54 1906)
•
God bids us give our time and strength to the work of
preaching to the people the messages that stirred men and women in 1843
and 1844. {MR760 30.1}(July 4th 1907)
As
you can see from the above quotes she supported the message that was on
that chart. That Chart and the 1850 Chart contain the same information
except that the 1850 or the Nichols chart contains our pillars ie,
sanctuary…. Your question of why she did not talk about it then goes to
what she believed in. For the Millerites of which she was a member of
that movement, the 2520 was an established point it was not until after
she passed away that the understanding of the 2520 and its importance
started to diminish. Since it was an established point the Spirit of
Prophecy did not need to clarify it. The purpose of the SOP was to help
clarify points that they were unsure of or where they came to a
stumbling block of all night study and were not able to come to a
conclusion. Then the SOP would provide them with the light they needed
to move forward from that point of stumbling. This is and the above
quotes are the second proof point.
Brother Bates:
Matt. 25:5. "While the Bridegroom tarried they all slumbered and slept."
In overhauling our dead reckoning, and re-examining our past
observations, we could discover no mistake. But we did discover one
thing which was to us a clear explanation of our text, at the same time
so simple that the most we could say about it was, that God had
withholden our eyes from this point as he did the two disciples in
company with Jesus at his resurrection. And this was that six months had
yet to be added to the prophetic periods before we could make them out
full and complete. For instance, we now could see clearly that it would
take every hour of 457 B.C., and 1843 years after to fill up 2300 days
or years; and so of the seven times of the Gentiles; 677 B. C. and 1843,
was only 2520 as given on the chart. Here we see plainly that the
commandment to restore and build Jerusalem, did not go forth until the
middle of 457; and so of the captivity of Manasseh, B. C. 677. And also
that the 6000 year of the world could not be complete until the seventh
month, where it commences. {1847 JB, BP2 58.2}
Brother Apollos Hale: The first of
the prophetic periods, which are considered as main pillars in the
calculations of Mr. Miller, is found in Leviticus xxvi. 18-28. {1843 ApH,
TSAM 33.1} The objections urged against this are, 1. That it should not
be considered a prophetic period at all. 2. If it he so considered,-as
the seven times occur four times in the text,-it should be understood as
a period of four times seven times. 3. Admitting it to express only one
period of seven times, which, understood prophetically, would be 2520
years, why should the period begin B. C. 677? {1843 ApH, TSAM 33.2}
Brother Josiah Litch: The time, times
and a half, being reduced to days by John, Rev. xii. 14 and 6,-1260
days,-twice that will be seven times, or 2520 days. Subtract B. C. 677,
from 2520, the whole period, leaves A. D. 1843. {1843 JoL, JUO 30.3} The
objection to the understanding of a time of 360 days to be 360 years,
is, that in that case Nebuchadnezzar 31 was made to eat grass like oxen
for 2520 years. This objection would lay against us if we always used a
day for a year; but we do not. We always understand time literally, if
the subject will admit of it. If it will not admit of its being
understood literally, without contradicting matter of fact or scripture,
we are obliged to understand it symbolically. {1843 JoL, JUO 30.4} In
the case of Nebuchadnezzar, there is nothing in the nature of the event
which renders it necessary to understand anything but literal time;
seven times, or 2520 days. But in the case of the "seven times"
punishment of the church, it began in the days of Manasseh, B. C. 677,
but it is not yet accomplished. Hence we must either deny matter of
fact, or it is symbolical time. What does a day symbolize? I answer a
year. Thus God explains it, Ezek. 4th chapter, "I have given thee each
day for a year." It may be said that this was only in a single instance
that God gave the rule, and in reference to a particular and specified
event, and so cannot form a general rule.
Brother Miller: "And I will cause
them to be removed into all kingdoms of the earth, because of Manasseh,
the son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, for that which he did in Jerusalem,"
- tells us of the same thing, that Judah as well as Israel must be made
captives. Israel began to be carried away in the days of Hoshea, 722 B.
C., and from that time to 1798 after Christ, is exactly 2520 years, or
the seven prophetic years. How remarkable, that when the seven years
ended, God began to deliver 21 his church from her bondage, which for
ages had been made subject to the kings of the earth. In 1798 the church
came out of the wilderness, and began to be delivered from her
captivity. But the completion of her slavery to the kingdoms of the
earth, is reserved for another period. Beginning B. C., 677 years, seven
prophetic years, or 2520 common years, would end in A. D. 1843.
Brother James White: "Our minds were
directed to that point of time, [1843,] from the fact that dating the
several prophetic periods from those years in which the best
chronologers assign the fulfillment of those events which were to mark
their commencement, they all seemed to terminate that year. This was,
however, only apparent. We date the 'seven times,' or 2520 years, from
the captivity of Manasseh, which is, with great unanimity, placed by
chronologers B. C. 677. This date is the only one we have ever reckoned
from, for the commencement of this period; and subtracting B. C. 677
from 2520 years there remained A. D. 1843. We, however, did not observe
that as it would require 677 full years B. C. and 1843 full years A. D.
to complete 2520 years, that it would also oblige us to extend this
period as far into A. D. 1844 as it might have commenced after the
beginning of B. C. 677. The same was also true of the other periods. The
great jubilee of 2450 years, commencing with the captivity of Jehoiakim
B. C. 607; and the 2300 days, commencing with the 70 weeks B. C. 457,
would respectively require 1843 full years after Christ added to as many
full years before Christ, as the years in which we have always
respectively commenced each period, to complete the number of years in
each; and as subtracting from each period the date B. C. of its
commencement, there would remain A. D. 1843, no reference whatever was
made to the fraction of the year, which in each case, had transpired
from its commencement, and which would require that each period should
extend as much beyond the expiration of A. D. 1843, as they respectively
began after the commencement of the year B. C. from which they are
dated. {ND JW, PARA 7.1}
As
you have read the above you can see that those who were the Lord’s
servants during that time period understood and preached the 2520. Each
of them agreed and supported this. Please note that James White the
husband of Ellen White supported this point. As you pointed out the SOP
did not say much about this point, yet she did as we examine in more
detail what was said in addition the SOP never spoke out against it.
This is and the above statements are the third proof point.
But
if he will not hear thee, then take with
thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every
word may be established. (Matthew 18:16 KJV) This
is the third time I am coming to
you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be
established. (2 Corinthians 13:1 KJV)
In scripture we can see that in the mouth of two or three is a thing
established. There is far more that can be given to confirm that the
2520 is a part of our Advent History and something the Sister White
accepted to the day she died.
In partial Conclusion of the 2520
The 2520 has two separate time lines one begins in 722 and the other in
677. 722 concludes in 1798 and the 677 concludes in 1843/4. Why many are
against this particular understanding puzzles me but here we have to
separate witnesses to 1798 when Rome received its deadly wound and 1844
when Christ went into the most Holy Place. Here is the link to the 2520
year chart.
http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/2520%20Chart%20(2)Stan03FEb08.pdf
. Sister White had no need to speak of something that was already
established and yet, she continued to speak of it from the reference
point of the Scattering.
Your
statement. “It was never a pillar of faith either after 1863.” There is
a common misunderstanding within Adventism as to what are the
Foundations and Pillars. The Pillars are one thing and the Foundations
are another. Please note the following.
I will repeat one
of the quotes mentioned above but this time in a more fuller context:
The warning has come: Nothing is to be allowed to come in that will
disturb the foundation of the faith upon which we have been
building ever since the message came in 1842, 1843, and 1844. I was
in this message, and ever since I have been standing before the world,
true to the light that God has given us. We do not propose to take our
feet off the platform on which they were placed as day by day we
sought the Lord with earnest prayer, seeking for light. Do you think
that I could give up the light that God has given me? It is to be as
the Rock of Ages. It has been guiding me ever since it was given.
Brethren and sisters, God lives and reigns and works today. His hand is
on the wheel, and in His providence He is turning the wheel in
accordance with His own will. Let not men fasten themselves to
documents, saying what they will do and what they will not do. Let them
fasten themselves to the Lord God of heaven. Then the light of heaven
will shine into the soul-temple, and we shall see the salvation of God.
{GCB, April 6, 1903 par. 35}
In truth if we were to go into every
aspect of this it would take some time this is just an overview. Some
points that need to be understood from the above quote:
1.
The message of 1840-44 is the foundation.
2.
The Platform
3.
The Rock of Ages.
When you build any
structure you first lay down the foundation and then you put up the rest
of the building. You establish the foundation and then you place the
Pillars on that foundation. Hence, the foundation is the message from
1840-44 is what the Pillars of our Church are set upon and EGW makes
that distinction in her writings. It is the Platform that we build upon
and as you can read for yourself she compares it that platform or
foundation to the “Rock of Ages” who is our Lord and Saviour Jesus
Christ. Who does not change. Mal 3:6 – Please note that Platform and
Foundation that was laid is the 1843 Chart which our Lord approved of..
Conclusion is that the 1843 Chart is the representation of our Lord and
Saviour Jesus Christ the “Rock of Ages” the platform that was approved
and established by him.
I saw a
company who stood well guarded and firm, giving no countenance to those
who would unsettle the established faith of the body. God looked upon
them with approbation. I was shown three steps-- the first, second, and
third angels' messages. Said my accompanying angel, "Woe to him
who shall move a block or stir a pin of these messages. The true
understanding of these messages is of vital importance. The destiny of
souls hangs upon the manner in which they are received." I was again
brought down through these messages, and saw how dearly the people of
God had purchased their experience. It had been obtained through much
suffering and severe conflict. God had led them along step by step,
until He had placed them upon a solid, immovable platform. I saw
individuals approach the platform and examine the foundation. Some
with rejoicing immediately stepped upon it. Others commenced to find
fault with the foundation. They wished improvements made, and then
the platform would be more perfect, and the people much happier. Some
stepped off the platform to examine it and declared it to be laid wrong.
But I saw that nearly all stood firm upon the platform and exhorted
those who had stepped off to cease their complaints; for God was the
Master Builder, and they were fighting against Him. They
recounted the wonderful work of God, which had led them to the firm
platform, and in union raised their eyes to heaven and with a loud voice
glorified God. This affected some of those who had complained and left
the platform, and they with humble look again stepped upon it. {EW
258.3}
She continues to
say this about the foundation:
The Word
of the Lord has guided our steps since the passing of the time in
1844. We have searched the Scriptures; we have built solidly;
and we have not had to tear up our foundations and put in new timbers.
{1MR 54}
We must
let the great principles of the third angel's message stand out clear
and distinct. The great pillars of our faith will hold all the
weight that can be placed upon them. Letter 207, 1899, p. 2. (To Elder
S. N. Haskell and Elder G. A. Irwin, December 15, 1899.) {1MR
53.3}
Here
we can see she is calling the principles of the 3 Angels Message one of
pillars of our faith.
For more than half a century the
different points of present truth have been questioned and opposed. New
theories have been advanced as truth, which were not truth, and the
Spirit of God revealed their error. As the great pillars of our faith
have been presented, the Holy Spirit has borne witness to them, and
especially is this so regarding the truths of the sanctuary question.
Over and over again the Holy Spirit has in a marked manner endorsed the
preaching of this doctrine. But today, as in the past, some will be led
to form new theories and to deny the truths upon which the Spirit of God
has placed His approval.--Manuscript 125, 1907. {Ev 224.2}
Here
we can see that the Sanctuary is one of those pillars.
A
Partial Conclusion of the Pillars and Platorm.
EGW: What
influence is it would lead men at this stage of our history to work in
an underhand, powerful way to tear down the foundation of our faith--the
foundation that was laid at the beginning of our work by prayerful study
of the Word and by revelation? Upon this foundation we have been
building for the past fifty years. Do you wonder that when I see the
beginning of a work that would remove some of the pillars of our faith,
I have something to say? I must obey the command, "Meet it!" . . .
{1SM 207.3}
I must bear the messages of
warning that God gives me to bear, and then leave with the Lord the
results. I must now present the matter in all its bearings; for the
people of God must not be despoiled. {1SM 208.1}
We are God's
commandment-keeping people. For the past fifty years every phase of
heresy has been brought to bear upon us, to becloud our minds regarding
the teaching of the Word--especially concerning the ministration of
Christ in the heavenly sanctuary, and the message of Heaven for these
last days, as given by the angels of the fourteenth chapter of
Revelation. Messages of every order and kind have been urged upon
Seventh-day Adventists, to take the place of the truth which, point by
point, has been sought out by prayerful study, and testified to by the
miracle-working power of the Lord. But the waymarks which have made us
what we are, are to be preserved, and they will be preserved, as God has
signified through His Word and the testimony of His Spirit. He calls
upon us to hold firmly, with the grip of faith, to the fundamental
principles that are based upon unquestionable authority.
As noted above the
platform was the message as shown on the 1843 Chart and the Pillars
which came later are those that are fastened unto the platform.
Your
next statement “If it was important out top evangelists would be
teaching it too.” In all seriousness are you willing to trust someone
else with your salvation?
For
precept must be upon precept, precept upon
precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little,
and there a little: For with stammering
lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said,
This is the rest
wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this
is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept
upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little,
and there a little; that they might go, and
fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. (Isaiah 28:10-13
KJV)
Please
note at the time of Christ were the Pharisees and Sadducees preaching
Jesus? Hence EGW makes this comment: Whatever
may be man's intellectual advancement, let him not for a moment think
that there is no need of thorough and continuous searching of the
Scriptures for greater light. As a people we are called individually to
be students of prophecy. We must watch with earnestness that we may
discern any ray of light which God shall present to us. We are to catch
the first gleamings of truth; and through prayerful study clearer light
may be obtained, which can be brought before others. {5T 708.2}
The scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees had
wandered away from the truth, and Jesus exhorted the people to study the
Scriptures for themselves. God has endowed men with intellect, and has
made it possible for them to be enlightened by the word of life; but
today, as then, people will accept the teaching and doctrines of men,
rather than obey the plain word of God. They choose to take the broad
road that leads to death, rather than to bear their cross and follow the
blood-stained path that leads to eternal life. {RH, February 7,
1888 par. 12}
Scripture
says the following.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I
look forward to your response.
GB
Randy Moeller
www.2520yearprophecy.com
Dear
brother Randy, I’ve looked at the chart previously and am aware it is
there. I will submit that this is not critical to salvation, and if we
waste our time on things unimportant, (or bogus) we are accountable for
wasting that time. I will look into this further in the interest of
edification, but I seriously doubt I will be teaching or promoting 2520.
I am also reading a paper by Eugene Prewitt of Amazing Facts,(on 2520)
and even though I have not seen one iota of error from them, all things
must pass Isaiah 8:20. EGW says this in your quote,
that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of
the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed.
(EW74)
To me, figures mean numbers, and may include the “second 1260 years” I
also realize God allowed for “the cleanse the sanctuary mistake” for His
reasons.
Again, if 2520 was valid, EGW would have taught it. Our top evangelists
that are led of God have not nor are they now teaching it. It is also
significant that as apostasy is now on the increase in the SDA church,
now the 2520 has also arisen! Why is this so important?
Blessings, SB
From:
2520 [mailto:contact@2520yearprophecy.com]
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of
http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm
Answer
Dear Mr. SB,
Please note the quote below.
Jesus and all the heavenly
host looked with sympathy and love upon those who had with sweet
expectation longed to see Him whom their souls loved. Angels were
hovering around them, to sustain them in the hour of their trial. Those
who had neglected to receive the heavenly message were left in darkness,
and God's anger was kindled against them, because they would not receive
the light which He had sent them from heaven. Those faithful,
disappointed ones, who could not understand why their Lord did not come,
were not left in darkness. Again they were led to their Bibles to search
the prophetic periods. The hand of the Lord was removed from the
figures, and the mistake was explained. They saw that the
prophetic periods reached to 1844, and that the same
evidence which they had presented to show that the prophetic periods
closed in 1843, proved that they would terminate in 1844. Light from the
Word of God shone upon their position, and they discovered a tarrying
time--"Though it [the vision] tarry, wait for it." In their love for
Christ's immediate coming, they had overlooked the tarrying of the
vision, which was calculated to manifest the true waiting ones. Again
they had a point of time. Yet I saw that many of them could not rise
above their severe disappointment to possess that degree of zeal and
energy which had marked their faith in 1843. {EW 236.1}
God Bless
Sincerely,
Randy Moeller
www.2520yearprophecy.com
Sent:
Monday, June 15, 2009 3:36 PM
To: '2520'
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of
http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm
Right you are Randy,but this only
explains the end of the 2300 prophecy, it is not inclusive of the
additional 220 years, nor does it suggest a doubling of the 1260 years.
Since we have definite evidence of the validity of 1260, how does it
make sense to double it? We have clear directions from the angel
as to the beginnings of 2300.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going
forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the
Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:
the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
So why muddy it up?
BTW, my stance is historic SDA pre-QOD (1957) I am not a liberal. But
I also try not to swing to the other extreme either. I am aware apostasy
in the SDA church will increase even more as we near the time of trouble
leading to the mark of the beast. You may agree preaching the 3 angels
messages now to a dying world is of utmost importance. And that includes
2300. As of yet I still fail to see where 2520 fits in for the
edification of all. Salvation must take priority and that should include
the conditions God gives, such as confession of sin, repentance, and
keeping the commandments.
I first saw this 2520 on temcat a few months ago. I
also noticed what appeared to be other “strange” prophetic
interpretations of prophecy.
So Randy, please tell me your general stance upon Adventism, are you
separatist independent?
Blessings, Steve
Ordeal of the Sifting Time.--Satan
will work his miracles to deceive; he will set up his power as supreme.
The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It
remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out--the chaff
separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but
nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming
by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found
with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in
their mouths. . . . The remnant that purify their souls by obeying the
truth gather strength from the trying process, exhibiting the beauty of
holiness amid the surrounding apostasy (Letter 55, 1886). {7BC
911.6}
From:
2520 [mailto:contact@2520yearprophecy.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:17 AM
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of
http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm
Answer
Dear Mr. SB,
If you will note the years in which EGW made her
statements in regards to the platform of 1840-44 you will find most were
between 1903-07 confirming the validity of that information of the
Charts 1843 & 1850 which included the Sanctuary message are valid today.
Those parts of the GC are a two edged sword.
Earlier it was
established and you agreed that the foundation of our Church was
established between 1840-44 – the spirit of Prophecy consistently
agrees. Hence the following quotes:
Protest against
Removing Landmarks
Thou
shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have
set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the
LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it. (Deuteronomy 19:14 KJV)
Cursed
be
he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say,
Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:17 KJV)
Remove
not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set. (Proverbs 22:28
KJV)
Listen not a moment to the interpretations that would loosen one pin,
remove one pillar, from the platform of truth.
Human interpretations, the reception of fables, will spoil your faith,
confuse your understanding, and make of none effect your faith in Jesus
Christ. Study diligently the third chapter of Revelation. In it is
pointed out the danger of losing your hold upon the things that you have
heard and learned from the Source of all light. Letter 230, 1906, p. 4.
(To Elders of the Battle Creek Church, and to Ministers and Physicians,
July 5, 1906.) {1MR 54.4}
When men come in who would move one pin or pillar from the foundation
which God has established by His Holy
Spirit, let the aged men who were
pioneers in our work speak plainly, and let those who are dead speak
also, by the reprinting of their articles in our periodicals. Gather up
the rays of divine light that God has given as He has led His people on
step by step in the way of truth. This truth will stand the test of time
and trial. Ms 62, 1905, p. 6. ("A Warning against False Theories," May
24, 1905.) {1MR 55.1}
No lie is of the truth. On every occasion possible, Satan is on hand to
introduce the leaven of his deceptive fallacies. Listen not a moment to
the interpretations that would loosen one pin, remove one pillar, from
the platform of truth. {PC 74.5} Human
interpretations, the reception of fables, will spoil your faith, confuse
your understanding, and make of none effect your faith in Jesus Christ.
Study diligently the third chapter of Revelation. In it is pointed out
the danger of losing your hold upon the things that you have heard and
learned from the Source of all light. "Remember. . .how thou hast
received and heard, and hold fast, and repent." Why repent? Because
there have come in faults, in the form of theories so subtle that by the
influence of mind upon mind, through the agency of those who have
departed from the faith, the wily foe will cause you imperceptibly to be
imbued with the spirit that will draw you away from the faith. {PC
74.6}
The truths given
us after the passing of the time in 1844 are just as certain and
unchangeable as when the Lord gave them to us in answer to our urgent
prayers. The visions that the Lord has given me are so remarkable
that we know that what we have accepted is the truth. This was
demonstrated by the Holy Spirit. Light, precious light from God,
established the main points of our faith as we hold them today. And
these truths are to be kept before the mind. We must arouse from the
position of lukewarmness, from being neither cold nor hot. We need
increased faith and more earnest trust in God. We must not be satisfied
to remain where we are. We must advance step by step, from light to
greater light. {8MR 319.1}
The Lord will certainly do
great things for us if we will hunger and thirst after righteousness. We
are the purchased property of Jesus Christ. We must not lose our
devotion, our consecration. We are in conflict with the errors and
delusions that have to be swept away from the minds of those who have
not acted upon the light they already have. Bible truth is our only
safety. I know and understand that we are to be established in the
faith, in the light of the truth given us in our early experience. At
that time one error after another pressed in upon us; ministers and
doctors brought in new doctrines. We would search the Scriptures with
much prayer, and the Holy Spirit would bring the truth to our minds.
Sometimes whole nights would be devoted to searching the Scriptures, and
earnestly asking God for guidance. Companies of devoted men and women
assembled for this purpose. The power of God would come upon me, and I
was enabled clearly to define what is truth and what is error.
{8MR 319.2}
As the
points of our faith were thus established, our feet were placed upon a
solid foundation. We accepted the truth
point by point, under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit. I would be
taken off in vision, and explanations would be given me. I was given
illustrations of heavenly things, and of the sanctuary, so that we were
placed where light was shining on us in clear, distinct rays. {8MR
320.1}
All
these truths are immortalized in my writings. The
Lord never denies His word. Men may get up scheme after scheme,
and the enemy will seek to seduce souls from the truth, but
all who believe that the Lord has spoken through
Sister White, and has given her a message, will be safe from the many
delusions that will come in in these last days. {8MR 320.2}
I know that the sanctuary
question stands in righteousness and truth, just as we have held it for
so many years. It is the enemy that leads minds off on side-tracks. He
is pleased when those who know the truth become engrossed in collecting
Scriptures to pile around erroneous theories, which have no foundation
in truth. The Scriptures thus used are misapplied; they were not given
to substantiate error, but to strengthen truth. {8MR 320.3}
So you see that it is
impossible for us to have any agreement with the positions taken by
Brother Ballenger, for no lie is of the truth. His proofs do not belong
where he places them, and although he may lead minds to believe his
theory in regard to the sanctuary, this is no evidence that his theory
is true. We have had a plain and decided testimony to bear for half a
century. The positions taken in my books are truth.
The truth was revealed to us by the Holy Spirit, and we know that
Brother Ballenger's position is not according to the word of God. His
theory is a deceiving theory, and he misapplies Scriptures. Theories of
the kind that he has been presenting, we have had to meet again and
again. {8MR 320.4}
I am
thankful that the instruction contained in my books establishes present
truth for this time. These books were
written under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit. I praise the Lord
with heart and soul and voice, and I pray that He will lead into all
truth those who will be led. I praise Him that He has so wonderfully
spared my life up to this time, to bear the same message upon the
important points of our faith that I have borne for half a century.--Letter
50, 1906, pp. 1-4. (To Elder W. W. Simpson, January 30, 1906.)
It seems we
disagree and I have read his articles as well. As stated before you
argument is not with me. You have been given both scriptural texts and
SOP. The choice is yours as for me….
God Bless
Sincerely
Randy Moeller
www.2520yearprophecy.com
]
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:52 PM
To: '2520'
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of
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Randy, God accepted as for that time all that was on
the chart, but He had his hand over it the mistakes. As a
traditionalist, I don’t accept everything Miller thought he figured out,
he made errors. I start around 1863.
Please read Eugene Pewitts article I sent you, it makes a lot of sense.
This 2520 is twisted and convoluted and has several different versions,
not the least of which Jeff Pippinger says the 7th trumpet
was in 2001! All these interpreters cannot agree!
I see that 2520 is not edifying for anything and takes our focus off
where it should be.
There is no value in “weird” prophecies such as that.
I suggest reading carefully the parts in the Great Controversy of how
Satan will sidetrack us and lay snares.
Miller was not infallible.
Blessings, SB
From:
2520 [mailto:contact@2520yearprophecy.com]
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of
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Dear Mr. SB,
I
believe in supporting our Church and I am a board member, we may not
agree on issues that is the freedom of choice that our Lord has granted
us.
This is not a
matter of Randy being right or not, this is a matter of accepting the
Message that was given to us as established by our Founding Fathers.
Please note the following verses:
Thus
saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old
paths, where
is
the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.
But they said, We will not walk
therein.
Also I set watchmen over you,
saying,
Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.
(Jeremiah 6:16-17 KJV)
The 2520 is the
only other “figures” that comes to its conclusion at the same time of
the 2300 year prophecy. If you so decide that it is a different
situation that is your choice. You say you are a Historicist. You have
been given the quotes from EGW that support the understanding of the
1840-44 msg. I have given you excerpts from several pioneers including
James White I am now including Miller’s complete position for it was
Miller who established the foundations of our SDA Church.
Miller would not
have found the 2300 year prophecy without the 2520. The 2520 he
understood first and then he came to the 2300 year prophecy. The
2520 is integrally linked to the 3 Angels Message as are the
Commandments of God and Gen 3:15. Sister White tells us there is a
Golden Thread that goes throughout scripture (1SM20.1) The 2520 is an
integral part of that thread. Those who wish to deny or argue against it
are not arguing with me the evidence is there the choice is theirs.
Just one note on
the 2520 time line is the time line of the tribe of Judah and Benjamin.
Christ went into the Most Holy Place on Oct 22nd 1844 at the
conclusion of the 2520. Judah is the lineage of Christ. The 2300 year
prophecy is pointing out the rebuilding of Spiritual Jerusalem God’s end
time church. The 2520 confirms this and is the evidence in scripture
that we are God’s denominated people.
The previous quotes supported the
position from 1840-44 now the following quotes support Miller. In these
quotes Miller is compared to Elijah and John the Baptist please note the
following scripture
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall
prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly
come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight
in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 3:1 KJV)
Thousands were led to embrace the truth preached by William Miller, and
servants of God were raised up in the spirit and power of Elijah to
proclaim the message. Like John, the forerunner of Jesus, those who
preached this solemn message felt compelled to lay the ax at the root of
the tree, and call upon men to bring forth fruits meet for repentance.
Their testimony was calculated to arouse and powerfully affect the
churches and manifest their real character. And as the solemn warning to
flee from the wrath to come was sounded, many who were united with the
churches received the healing message; they saw their backslidings, and
with bitter tears of repentance and deep agony of soul, humbled
themselves before God. And as the Spirit of God rested upon them, they
helped to sound the cry, "Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour
of His judgment is come." {EW 233.1}
Angels of God
accompanied Wm. Miller in his mission. He was firm and undaunted. He
fearlessly proclaimed the message committed to his trust.
A world lying in wickedness,
and a cold, worldly church were enough to call into action his energy,
and lead him to willingly endure toil, privation and suffering. Although
opposed by professed christians and the world, and buffeted by Satan and
his angels, he ceased not to preach the everlasting gospel to crowds
wherever he was invited, and sound the cry, Fear God and give glory to
him; for the hour of his judgment is come. {1SG 132.2}
As he
followed down the prophecies, he saw that the inhabitants of earth were
living in the closing scenes of this world's history, and they knew it
not. He looked at the corruptions of the churches, and saw that their
love was taken from Jesus, and placed on the world, and that they were
seeking for worldly honor instead of that honor which cometh from above;
ambitious for worldly riches, instead of laying up their treasure in
heaven. Hypocrisy, darkness and death he could see everywhere. His
spirit was stirred within him.
God called him to leave his farm, as Elisha was called to leave his oxen
and the field of his labor to follow Elijah. With trembling, William
Miller began to unfold the mysteries of the kingdom of God to the
people. He gained strength with every effort. He carried the people down
through the prophecies to the second advent of Christ. As John the
Baptist heralded the first advent of Jesus, and prepared the way for his
coming, so also, Wm. Miller and those who joined him, proclaimed the
second advent of the Son of God.
{1SG 129.1}
Those preachers,
ministers and teachers that fight against this truth should reconsider
their position very carefully. For we here we have clear evidence that
Miller is compared to Elijah and John and that he was led of Angels.
The SOP agrees with this position. This message is for SDA’s. It is
history that makes who we are. If we do not know what it is and what we
believe in then how can we possibly move forward into the truth that our
Lord has for us when we do not even know our past.
That which hath been is now; and that
which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is
past.(Ecclesiastes 3:15 KJV) Declaring the end from the beginning, and
from ancient times the things that are not yet done,
saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: (Isaiah
46:10 KJV)
As
stated before I cannot change your mind I can only bring you the
evidence. What you choose to do with it is of course your choice. For I
know this from scripture:
And he
said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will
they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Luke 16:31 KJV)
GB
Sincerely,
Randy Moeller
www.2520yearprophecy.com
A
Lecture on the Typical Sabbaths and Great Jubilee
LECTURE
ON THE TYPICAL SABBATHS AND
GREAT JUBILEE
BY WILLIAM MILLER,
OF LOW HAMPTON, NEW YORK.
/ BOSTON:
/ PUBLISHED BY JOSHUA V. HIMES, 14
Devonshire Street. 1842.
LECTURE
THE Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the
Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent
me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives,
and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the
acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to
comfort all that mourn. - ISAIAH lxi.1,2. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 3.1}
THIS text is a prophecy of Isaiah, delivered by the
prophet about seven hundred years before Christ was born, whom he
personates in this remarkable manner; and was the first text used by our
dear Savior when he began his public ministry in Nazareth, where he was
brought up. He then read a part of our text, closed the book, and sat
down. All the eyes of them which were in the synagogue were fastened on
him; and he began to say unto them, "This day is this scripture
fulfilled in your ears:" Luke iv.18-21. He did not say it was fulfilled
in their sight, but in their hearing; neither did he quote the last part
of our text, "and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all
that mourn." Some have taken advantage of this circumstance, and argued,
that, because Christ did not quote the last part of the text, therefore
the day of vengeance is or was past, and no day of vengeance to come. We
see, by this very argument, how wicked men will pervert the word of God,
to shield themselves from the just and righteous vengeance of God. If
they were not guilty, and did not fear this day of retribution, they
would not make Isaiah a false prophet, in order to avoid the consequence
which they otherwise must, and do, admit by the argument would of
necessity follow. Although Christ, at this time, did not see fit to
speak of the day of vengeance, yet, in our text, Isaiah says he would
proclaim it; and I think, I shall be able to show he did proclaim a day
of vengeance in his public ministry. And the reader would do well to
take notice, that by the same mode of reasoning, "to comfort all that
mourn" was left out, and passed, and therefore Christ will not
afterwards comfort them that mourn. Who will believe this? Yet one is as
sound and valid an argument as the other. Therefore, when men are driven
to such weak and silly arguments, we may well suspect their foundation
to be unsound and sandy. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 3.2}
I shall therefore show, - {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 5.1}
I. What is meant by our text. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 5.2}
II. What we may understand by "year of release and
day of vengeance." {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 5.3}
III. When this day will come. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 5.4}
I. Explain the text. "The Spirit of the LORD GOD is
upon me." This part was literally fulfilled when Jesus was baptized of
John in Jordan; the Holy Spirit descended upon him like a dove, and the
voice from heaven pronounced him the true Messiah, which was earnestly
looked for by all true worshippers about this time. {1842
WiM, LTSGJ 5.5}
"Because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good
tidings unto the meek." This too was accomplished at the first advent of
Jesus Christ, when he was anointed with the Holy Ghost and with power.
Acts x.38: "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and
with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were
oppressed of the devil; for God was with him." Also, Christ did preach
good tidings unto the meek in his sermon on the mount. Matt.v.5:
"Blessed are the meek, for they
shall inherit the earth." This
cannot be fulfilled until Christ's second coming, and at the
resurrection of the just, - Psalm lxxvi.9: "When God arose to judgment,
to save all the meek of the earth;" - that is, in its complete sense.
But Christ did preach what the prophet Isaiah said he would, "good
tidings to the meek," and will accomplish his promise at his second
advent, and give possession of the earth to the saints. {1842 WiM,
LTSGJ 5.6}
"He hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted." This
part of our text was to be done; not preached, but performed. This is
the effect of the gospel, to bind up the heart of the poor penitent. He
could say, son, or daughter, "thy sins are forgiven thee; go, and sin no
more." For the Son of man had power to forgive sin. Matt.ix.6.
{1842 WiM, LTSGJ 6.1}
"To proclaim liberty to the captives." This he was to
proclaim or promise; not to do them, at his first coming, but to preach,
as Paul has explained it, in Rom.viii.21-23: "Because the creature
itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption, into the
glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole
creation groaneth, and travaileth in pain together until now; and not
only they, but ourselves also, which have the first-fruits of the
Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the
adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body:" which shows plainly that
we are under bondage, until the redemption of the body, the resurrection
of the just, when all captives will go free, and will be delivered into
the glorious liberty of the children of God. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 6.2}
"And the opening of the prison to them that are
bound." The accomplishment of this promise can only be fulfilled in the
resurrection of the just, when the graves will be opened, and all the
bodies of the saints who have slept will come forth. See 1Cor.xv.54,55:
"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this
mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the
saying that is written, death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where
is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" Then will death have no
dominion over them, and the bonds of the prisoners will be loosed.
{1842 WiM, LTSGJ 7.1}
"To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the
day of vengeance of our GOD." The acceptable year of the Lord is
evidently the same time as we have before
mentioned, when God will deliver all his captives and release him that
is bound in death. It is very evident that the year of release is
alluded to by the prophet, which was appointed of God as a type of the
final release of the children of God from the corruption and bondage of
death. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 7.2}
"And the day of vengeance of our GOD." This is the
day when God will raise and glorify his saints, - see Isa.lxi,3: "To
appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for
ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit
of heaviness; that they might be called Trees of righteousness, The
planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified," - and when he will
take vengeance on them that know not God, and obey not the gospel of our
Lord Jesus Christ. This is fairly proved by Isa.xxxiv.8,9: "For it is
the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the
controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch,
and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become
burning pitch." And this text proves that it is the great burning day,
when the wicked shall be stubble. It is also the year of
recompenses for Zion. Again; Isa.lxiii.3,4: "I have trodden the
wine-press alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will
tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury, and their blood
shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
For the day of vengeance is in my heart, and the year of my redeemed is
come." In this passage we are taught the destruction of the wicked, and
the year of redemption of his people, as being both at one time. See
Zeph.iii.8,9; Mal.iii.17; and iv.1-3. Also we have Christ's own words.
Matt.iii.12: "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his
floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the
chaff with unquenchable fire." Matt.xiii.40-43: "As therefore the tares
are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this
world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather
out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and
gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in
the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." In
these passages Christ shows clearly that when he gathers his saints he
will burn up the wicked. See the 49th and 50th verses. Also, Paul talks
of the same day, 1Thess.iv.14, to the third verse of the fifth chapter,
as follows: "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so
them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say
unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain
unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For
the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice
of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so
shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore, comfort one another with
these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need
that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly, that the day of
the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say,
peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon
them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."
This passage plainly shows the destruction of those who cry peace and
safety, when he raises the dead in Christ. Again, 2Thess.i.7-10: "And to
you, who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be
revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking
vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our
Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction
from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; when he
shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them
that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that
day." In this epistle, Paul shows how the wicked are to be destroyed "in
flaming fire," and "when he shall come to be glorified in his saints."
Peter agrees with the others, in 2Pet.iii.11-13: "Seeing then that all
these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be
in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the
coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be
dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a
new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." What can be proved more
clearly, than I have proved by these passages, that "the year of release
and the day of vengeance" are at one and the same time; and the
destruction of the wicked by fire, and the resurrection and
glorification of the saints, at the time of Christ's coming? {1842
WiM, LTSGJ 8.1}
"To comfort all that mourn." Christ taught the same
doctrine in Matt.v.4: "Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be
comforted." These promises in this chapter are common to all the saints,
and can only be fulfilled when they are raised up, and live in his
sight. Then he will wipe tears from off all faces. Isa.xxv.8: "He will
swallow up death in victory, and the Lord God will wipe away tears from
off all faces, and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off
all the earth; for the Lord hath spoken it." Rev.vii.15-17: "Therefore
are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his
temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They
shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun
light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the
throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of
waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." Rev.xxi.3,4:
"And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle
of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his
people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God
shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more
death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain:
for the former things are passed away." He will then comfort all that
mourn; not one mourning saint will be left comfortless. John xiv.18: "I
will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." Thus we are taught
when these blessings which Christ was to proclaim will be fulfilled, -
in the year of release and day of vengeance. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ
12.1}
II. I will now show what is meant by the acceptable
year. 1st. It is the year when captives go free, and those bound in
prison are loosed. The prophet evidently alludes to the sabbatical
year among the Jews, which was a type of this year spoken of in our
text. Isaiah alludes to this time, in chap.xlix.8-13. We have an account
of this typical year, first, in Exodus xxi.2: "If thou buy a Hebrew
servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out
free for nothing." Next place, Exodus xxiii.10,11: "And six years thou
shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof: but the
seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy
people may eat: and what they leave, the beasts of the field shall eat.
In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard."
Levit.xxv.3,4: same as above. Deut.xv.1,2: "At the end of every seven
years thou shalt make a release. And this is the manner of the release:
every creditor that lendeth aught unto his neighbor, shall release it;
he shall not exact it of his neighbor, or of his brother; because it is
called the Lord's release." Jeremiah xxxiv.14: "At the end of seven
years, let ye go every man his brother a Hebrew, which hath been sold
unto thee; and when he hath served thee six years, thou shalt let him go
free from thee: but your fathers hearkened not unto me,
neither inclined their ear." In these texts we are taught, that at the
end of every seven years the Jews were commanded to let their Hebrew
servants go free, and to release all their debtors from their debts.
This is called a sabbath, or year of release, and was one of the Jewish
sabbaths, which was typical, or a shadow of good things to come, as we
are informed by Paul to the Colossians, ii.16,17: "Let no man therefore
judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy-day, or of the
new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come;
but the body is of Christ." If then this is a type of time, as well as
manner, - and we are expressly told that the Hebrew servants were to be
let go free, at the end of every seven years, - so may we not reasonably
suppose, that Jesus Christ will deliver his children from their bondage,
at the end of seven prophetic years? Surely a shadow must have its
substance, and the type must agree with its antitype. How can a believer
in the word of God deny the promises here laid down? Will not the
antitype be as sure as the type? The first was given to man as a pledge
of the future, shadowing
forth good things to come, and depended on the obedience of man for its
accomplishment. The second is the promise of God, depending not on any
contingencies, but is wholly disposed of by the wisdom and power of God.
Therefore, I cannot see why I may not have strong faith in this promise,
as well as in all others, which God in his good pleasure has seen fit to
reveal unto us through shadows and types. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 13.1}
If this, then, is a correct view of the subject, and
time is prefigured, when would the seven years of the antitype begin? I
answer, it must begin with the servitude and bondage of the visible
people of God; for at the end of seven years they must go free, or there
would be no force in the type, and of course no fulfilment in the
antitype. Seven prophetic years would be seven times 360, equal to 2520
years. This bondage must begin with the kingdom of Babylon, the first
kingdom of Daniel's four monarchies, which kingdoms were to make war
with the saints, and prevail against them, until the Ancient of Days
came; and these were to scatter the people of God into all the kingdoms
of the earth, and have dominion over them, and
exercise authority upon them. Mark x.42: "But Jesus called them to him,
and saith unto them, ye know that they which are accounted to rule over
the Gentiles, exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise
authority upon them." This was prophesied of by Moses and all the
prophets down to John. Acts iii.20-24: "And he shall send Jesus Christ,
which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive, until
the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the
mouth of all his holy prophets, since the world began. For Moses truly
said unto the fathers, a Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto
you, of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things,
whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every
soul which will not hear that Prophet, shall be destroyed from among the
people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel, and those that follow
after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days."
And the restitution of all things must be at the year of release, when
God will send his Son Jesus Christ to restore the earth and all who will
then dwell therein, to a state of purity and
blessedness, and bring them into the inheritance of the saints, and
shall deliver them from the bondage of corruption into the glorious
liberty of the sons of God. These seven years of servitude must include
these four kingdoms, Babylon or Nebuchadnezzar's, which was the head of
gold; Media and Persia, Grecia and Rome, which constituted the whole man
of sin, from his head to his toes. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 16.1}
When, then, may we not ask, did the bondage of the
children of God begin? I answer, when literal Babylon began to exercise
authority over them. In the twenty-second year of Manasseh's reign, in
the year before Christ 677, the last of the ten tribes were carried
away, and Israel ceased to be a nation, according to the prophecy of
Isaiah, vii.8: "For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of
Damascus is Rezin: and within three-score and five years shall Ephraim
be broken, that it be not a people." Isaiah prophesied this in the year
742 before Christ, which prophecy was literally fulfilled in sixty-five
years afterwards, in the year B. C. 677. Then, too, Manasseh king of
Judah was carried a captive into Babylon, and the threatenings
of God began upon his people. 2Kings xxi.10-14: "And the Lord spake by
his servants the prophets, saying, because Manasseh, king of Judah, hath
done these abominations, and hath done wickedly above all that the
Amorites did, which were before him, and hath made Judah also to sin
with his idols: therefore, thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Behold, I
am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth
of it, both his ears shall tingle. And I will stretch over Jerusalem the
line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe
Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down.
And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and deliver them
into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil
to all their enemies." Also, xxiv.3,4: "Surely at the commandment of the
Lord came this upon Judah, to remove them out of his sight, for the sins
of Manasseh, according to all that he did; and also for the innocent
blood that he shed, (for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood,) which
the Lord would not pardon." And although Josiah, who was king of Judah
after Manasseh, did many good acts, yet the Lord
turned not from the fierceness of his wrath against Judah. 2Kings
xxiii.26,27: "Notwithstanding, the Lord turned not from the fierceness
of his great wrath, wherewith his anger was kindled against Judah,
because of all the provocations that Manasseh had provoked him withal.
And the Lord said, I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have
removed Israel, and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have
chosen, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there." The
decree against Judah, was the same as against Israel. They must be
scattered among all nations. It could not be revoked, notwithstanding
their repentance and partial reformation. Jeremiah xv.4, - "And I will
cause them to be removed into all kingdoms of the earth, because of
Manasseh, the son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, for that which he did in
Jerusalem," - tells us of the same thing, that Judah as well as Israel
must be made captives. Israel began to be carried away in the days of
Hoshea, 722 B. C., and from that time to 1798 after Christ, is exactly
2520 years, or the seven prophetic years. How remarkable, that when the
seven years ended, God began to deliver his church
from her bondage, which for ages had been made subject to the kings of
the earth. In 1798 the church came out of the wilderness, and began to
be delivered from her captivity. But the completion of her slavery to
the kingdoms of the earth, is reserved for another period. Beginning B.
C., 677 years, seven prophetic years, or 2520 common years, would end in
A. D. 1843. Therefore, beginning at the captivity of Manasseh and the
final dispersion of the ten tribes of Israel, where God has fixed the
time for the dispersion of the people of God and the scattering of the
holy people, until the year 1843, will be the end of the seven years,
when the acceptable year of the LORD will commence; and, in my humble
opinion, the children of God will be delivered from all the evils
enumerated by Moses in Leviticus xxvi., and Jeremiah xv.; from war or
the sword, from pestilence and famine, from captivity and spoil, from
death and corruption; and all will be comforted, and all tears be wiped
from off all faces; sighs and sorrows shall cease forever, and there
shall be no more curse, for the throne of the Lamb shall be there, and
he shall dwell with them, and be their God, and they
shall be his people. This will take place in the acceptable year of the
Lord, the antitypical year of release. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 18.1}
III. This day is typified by the seventh-day sabbath.
Let us first notice how the seventh-day sabbath was instituted. "In six
days God made the heavens and the earth, and rested from his labors on
the seventh day." He, therefore, hallowed the day and blessed it, and
gave it to his people and the world as a sign, token or type, that the
world, although filled with sin, and cursed by man's transgression, yet
the world, and the people who are counted worthy to obtain the same
inheritance or rest, should in six days be made new, by the great
Mediator who is to make all things new. And when the world and the
inhabitants therein are purified by the immersion of fire, then would
this typical sabbath end, and the last typified sabbath commence. {1842
WiM, LTSGJ 22.1}
This is certainly evident from Paul's reasoning in
the fourth chapter of Hebrews: as also from his expression in
Col.ii.16,17. That the sabbath typifies time as well as rest, is as
plain to me as that light follows the rays of the sun, or shadows
discover the form of the substance. If, then, the seventh day was a rest
in the first creation, so must the seventh day in the new creation be a
day of rest to the people who are created in Christ Jesus to inherit the
new heavens and new earth. Then, if by any means we can find out how
long a day is in the sight of the Lord, and can tell how long the world
has stood since the fall of man, we can tell as well when the great
sabbath will commence, and as easily, as we can tell when our common
sabbath will commence, after six days labor and toil. For the whole
creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now, waiting for
the redemption of the day of rest which remains for the people of God.
And now let us see if there is any clue by which we can discover these
two points. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 22.2}
1. What length of time with us, is a day with the
Lord? The first evidence I shall bring is in Ps.xc.4: "For a thousand
years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch
in the night." Let the reader read the whole Psalm, and he will discover
that the inspired penman has a prophetic view of the power of death, and
destruction of the present race of men on the earth,
their afflictions and sorrows, under the wrath of God against sin. He
then shows the return of God to our earth, the establishment of his
mercy upon the same forever, and that his work and glory should appear
unto his servants. It would be natural for those who felt an interest in
this work, to inquire how long before this work of mercy would be
completed. In order to answer all reasonable inquiries, he shows us that
a thousand years, in the sight of God, is but as yesterday, or one day
with us. Then, by reasoning from analogy, the saint of God might come to
a just conclusion, that as in six days God made the heavens and earth,
so in six thousand years he will create, by Jesus Christ, the new
heavens and new earth. Again, in 2Peter iii.8,9: "But, beloved, be not
ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand
years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning
his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to
us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to
repentance." In this text we are plainly told not to be ignorant of this
one thing, that one day with the Lord is as a
thousand years with us; and gives us the reason, that he may be
long-suffering to usward, that we may come to repentance. He will give
us six thousand years to repent in, and then will come the day of the
Lord, when we shall live in his sight; or as John expresses it,
Rev.xx.6: "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first
resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be
priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand
years." These texts to me are sufficient testimony, that a day, in the
work of the new creation, is a thousand years. And now, if we can show
what age we live in since the work of redemption began, we may come to a
satisfactory result when that work will be finished. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ
23.1}
It is said by our chronological writers, that the
world was 4004 years old at our era for the birth of Christ. But I think
they are not right, into more than 150 years; and I think I can prove by
the Bible they are not. In the one article of chronology, for the time
of the judges' rule, from Joshua to Samuel, or to the death of Eli, our
chronologers have given but about 295 years, when the Bible, in the
history of the judges, gives us 448 years; Paul, in
Acts xiii.20, gives us about the space of 450; and Josephus, the Jewish
historian, gives us for judges 451 years. Now, I ask, in all human
probability, who is right - our late writers, who only give 295 years,
or the history of the judges, which gives us 448 years, corroborated by
Paul and Josephus's testimony? Surely all must agree, that the weight of
testimony is in favor of that chronology which makes the year of
Christ's birth, according to our computation, 4157 years after the
creation or fall of man. Then, by adding 1843, we have our 6000 years up
to the commencing of the day of rest, or the beginning of the seven
thousandth year, or the great sabbath, of which our seventh day is but a
shadow. What strong evidence is this, that we are now living at the end
of the 6000 years, in which the work of redemption must be completed,
and the glory of God be revealed in the face of Jesus Christ at his
appearing and his kingdom! Let me notice one other circumstance: from
the foundation of the world to the confusion of tongues, under
Patriarchal government, was 2000 years, or two days; from the confusion
of tongues, to the time the Roman kingdom became mistress of the world,
through the reign of the Babylonian empire, 2000 years more; and from
the rise of the Roman empire to the commencement of Christ's universal
kingdom under the whole heaven, will be 2000 years more, in the year
1843. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 25.1}
IV. This year of release, and deliverance of the
saints from all bondage, death not excepted, is typified in one way
more, by the Jubilee, or fiftieth year. It is well known that the Jews
were commanded to keep every fiftieth year as a year of redemption from
all bondage, debts or dues; persons, lands and tenements were redeemed
and restored to the former owners. This is typical of the redemption of
the people of God from all captivity, bondage or death, into the
glorious liberty of the sons of God; Rom.viii.21; and is also typical of
the times of the restitution of all things. Acts iii.21: "Whom the
heaven must receive, until the times of restitution of all things, which
God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets, since the world
began." And these jubilees did measure time with as exact measurement as
the hand on the clock points to the time of day. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 27.1}
In order to realize the force of this type, we
must notice that as seven days constitute a sabbath, so seven kinds of
sabbath form a complete round of sabbaths, and carry us up to the
perfect sabbath in heaven. "Seven sabbaths are complete." {1842 WiM,
LTSGJ 27.2}
1st. Is the seventh-day sabbath. Exod.xxxi.13-17.
{1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.1}
2nd. Is the fiftieth-day sabbath. Levit.xxiii.15,16.
{1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.2}
3rd. Is the seventh week sabbath. Deut.xvi.9,10.
{1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.3}
4th. Is the seventh month sabbath. Levit.xxiii.24,25.
{1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.4}
5th. Is the seventh year sabbath. Levit.xxv.3-5.
{1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.5}
6th. Is the year fiftieth, or jubilee.
Levit.xxv.8-13. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.6}
7th. Is the fiftieth jubilee, and may be called the
antitype of all other sabbaths. This will take no less than forty-nine
times fifty years, which is 2450 years, to bring us to the great
Jubilee, of which all others are but the shadows or types. The next
question which remains to be settled, is, to know when this time began.
{1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.7}
It is made plain that we are to begin to reckon from
the last jubilee kept in regular succession, and the
time the Jews were carried into their 70 years' captivity and could not
keep their jubilees, for their captivity exceeded a jubilee, 20 years.
This is the rule given, Levit.xxiii.15: "And ye shall count unto you
from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the
sheaf of the wave-offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete." Also the
prophecy of Moses, - Levit.xxvi.34,35: "Then shall the land enjoy her
sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land;
even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. As long as it
lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths,
when ye dwelt upon it," - shows us when the land will lie desolate and
enjoy her sabbaths, not be possessed or tilled by the people of God
exclusively, until the final redemption of the purchased possession in
the great Jubilee, when the true Israel of God will all be redeemed. Our
Judaizing teachers will tell you that "the Jews did return to their land
after seventy years captivity." I agree; but did they return as in their
jubilees? By no means; they were yet slaves and bondmen, and remained so
under the several succeeding kingdoms of Persia,
Grecia and Rome, until they were cut off from being the people of God.
Isaiah lxv.15: "And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another
name." Since which time all Christians have been strangers and pilgrims,
as their fathers were in the land of promise; for now the promise is,
"the meek shall inherit the earth." It is no more given to the Jew in
the flesh; but children of faith, like our father Abraham, are counted
for the seed, to whom the promises are now made. There remaineth,
therefore, a redemption for the people of God, not to the Jew only, but
to all the people of God who are scattered abroad, when the great
trumpet shall be blown in the great Jubilee. Isa.xxvii.13: "And it shall
come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and
they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and
the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the Lord in the
holy mount at Jerusalem." Let the reader consult Isa.xviii.3-7. {1842
WiM, LTSGJ 28.8}
Then there is no jubilee until the great trumpet
shall be blown, which will gather the elect people
from the four winds of heaven, and deliver the captives, those who are
bound in death, as well as those who are under the smarting scourge of
the tyrants of the earth; and will give the possession of the earth to
the saints, with Christ for their king, and he will possess the kingdom
forever, even forever and ever. The land which is given to the saints by
promise, would not be inherited until the 2450 years of captivity should
be completed, and this must harmonize with the year of release. Now,
suppose we begin our time for the great Jubilee, at the time when the
Jewish jubilees were broken and could not be kept in their regular
order, when they went into their seventy years' captivity, in the year
B. C. 607, before our vulgar era; (see chronology in the first chapter
of Daniel;) which 607 years taken from 2450 years, will leave 1843 after
the birth of Christ. You may inquire, what will be done in the year
1843? I answer, - 1. The last trumpet must be blown, which ushers in the
great Jubilee, which brings in the eternal redemption of the people of
God, and secures to them the promised inheritance. It brings liberty to
the captives and the opening of the prison to them that are
bound. It gives unto them who mourn in Zion, beauty for ashes, and the
spirit of joy, for the spirit of heaviness. It gives praise to him who
hath planted us as trees of righteousness in his courts in the garden of
God. It builds the waste places of Zion, and raises to life and
animation the desolations that death has made in former generations. It
makes all the then inhabitants of the earth kings and priests unto God
and to Christ, and they will reign with him in the eternal kingdom. It
redeems the saints from all sin; and takes away the curse from the
earth. It wipes away all reproach from the saints, and all that see them
will acknowledge them the seed the Lord hath blessed. All the tears of
Zion's children will be wiped from their eyes; and the kingdom, and the
greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven shall be given to the
people of the saints of the Most High. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 30.1}
2. You will naturally inquire, What will be the
situation of the wicked? I answer, God will take vengeance on them in
flaming fire; they will consume away in the smoke; they will be as
stubble fully dry; he will burn them up, and leave neither father nor
son. He will dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel,
and they will be carried away by the indignation of the Almighty, and
thrust down to hell in the fierceness of his wrath. Their bodies will be
ashes under the feet of the saints, and their spirits confined in the
dark pit of wo. At the sight of his glory, they shall howl; and under
the rod of his justice, they shall gnash their teeth with madness. Their
torment shall be without mitigation, and their hopes be blown away like
the dust. They will cry for vexation of spirit, and call aloud, but have
none to hear. This will be the lot of those who obey not the gospel, and
the inheritance of those who keep not his commandments. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ
32.1}
3. Now let me inquire, reader, what will be your
condition when God rises up to the prey; when he comes forth to save the
meek of the earth? Have you less than two years to make your last
choice, either for heaven or hell? And are you spending the last moments
which mercy gives, in frivolity and sin? Awake, awake! Behold, he
cometh! "go you out to meet him." {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 33.1}
Sent:
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:19 AM
To: '2520'
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of
http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm
Randy, I made it clear I do not
accept all that came out of 1840-1844. 2520 is bogus. You will never
convince me. Lets present Jesus as savior and get away from these
useless distractions. I have no more time to waste on this. Blessings,
SB
From:
2520 [mailto:contact@2520yearprophecy.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of
http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm
Dear
Mr. SB,
As
stated from the outset I had no intention of convincing you. I only
provided the data. You have made your own decision. It was you who
initiated the contact all that was done was a response. Then in truth
you do not accept EGW as a prophet the evidence has been supplied and
she did confirm and believe in the information that was on the 1843 and
1850 Charts. She had stated repeatedly that we have no new message and
that the message of 1840-44 was the same message for today. Since you
reject this you then by default reject her. The 2520, Daily and Islam
are all a part of that Chart. These are not small matters.
God Bless
Sincerely,
Randy Moeller
www.2520yearprophecy.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16,
2009 2:50 PM
To: '2520'
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of
http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm
Randy, I accept EGW as a prophet much more than most. It cannot be
proved she ENDORSES 2520. Your accusatory condemning
statement is not appreciated. You are saying two different things. If
you only “provided” the data, then why are you saying I don’t accept
EGW? What about the SDA’s who do not accept 2520, according to you they
also do not accept EGW?
My faith in EGW is more confirmed because she does not directly confirm
this. You are on a wrong course in condemning your brethren because they
don’t believe as you do. Please examine yourself in the light of God’s
word.
SB
Answer
Dear Mr. SB,
First when you
examine the chart in detail you will see the following:
You
will note that Christ is in the center of the Chart. Hence when we speak
of the Chart we are speaking of the Rock of our Foundation our Lord and
Saviour Jesus Christ.
That in the top
right hand corner of that Chart is the 2520. The 2520 was an established
truth for them and there was no need for her to comment on it. The 2300
Days was in reference to the rebuilding of Jerusalem so it had a
powerful influence on them and that is why it was mentioned over and
over again. We now understand even more and that 2300 is part of the
2520 and they both end at the same time. This does not take anything
away from our understanding of the 2300 year prophecy but establishes
independently the importance of the 2300 year prophecy. It becomes a
separate witness unto it.
As
stated before EGW about the Chart:
September 23, the Lord showed me that He had stretched out His hand the
second time to recover the remnant of His people, and that efforts must
be redoubled in this gathering time. In the scattering, Israel was
smitten and torn, but now in the gathering time God will heal and bind
up His people. In the scattering, efforts made to spread the truth had
but little effect, accomplished but little or nothing; but in the
gathering, when God has set His hand to gather His people, efforts to
spread the truth will have their designed effect. All should be united
and zealous in the work. I saw that it was wrong for any to refer to the
scattering for examples to govern us now in the gathering; for if God
should do no more for us now than He did then, Israel would never be
gathered.
I have seen that
the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord,
and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted
them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures,
so that none could see it, until His hand was removed. (EW74)
For
I
am
the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
(Malachi 3:6 KJV)
Our
Lord does change nor did He change the Message please note the following
quotes as before:
•
Those who stand as teachers
and leaders in our institutions are to be sound in the faith and in the
principles of the third angel's message.
God wants His people to know that we have the
message as He gave it to us in 1843 and 1844.
We knew then what the message meant, and we call upon our people today
to obey the word, "Bind up the law among My disciples." In this world
there are but two classes,--the obedient and the disobedient. To which
class do we belong? (GCB April 1st 1903)
•
The
warning has come: Nothing is to be allowed to come in that will disturb
the foundation of the faith upon which we have been building ever since
the message came in 1842, 1843, and 1844.
I was in this message, and ever since I have
been standing before the world, true to the light that God has given us.
We do not propose to take our feet off the platform on which they were
placed as day by day we sought the Lord with earnest prayer, seeking for
light. Do you think that I could give up the light that God has given
me? It is to be as the Rock of Ages. (GCB April 6th 1903)
•
We have, as had John, a message to bear of the things which we
have seen and heard.
God is not giving us a new message.
We are to
proclaim the message that in 1843 and 1844 brought us out of the other
churches. We need
the Holy Spirit to kindle in our hearts the zeal and earnestness that
were then seen among God's people. I thank the Lord that there are still
living a few who can remember those days, and who know whereof they
speak.(RH Jan 19th 1905)
•
The truths that we received in 1841, '42, '43, and '44 are now to be
studied and proclaimed.
The messages of the
first, second, and third angels will in the future be proclaimed with a
loud voice. They will be given with earnest determination and in the
power of the Spirit.(15MR Ltr 75 1905)
•
All
the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible now,
for there are
many people who have lost their bearings.
The messages are to go to all the churches.
{21MR 437.1}(LTR 54 1906)
•
God bids us give our time and strength to the work of preaching to the
people the messages that stirred men and women in 1843 and 1844.
{MR760 30.1}(July 4th
1907)
Sister White makes it abundantly clear that it is God
who gave us this message. It is not up to us decide what we want to
accept or reject. The message that was given during that time period
included the
2520, 2300,
1335, 1290, Islam, Daily and more. If you reject
one you reject them all hence you also reject the SOP. You have been
given the evidence again. This chart is representative of the 3 Angels
message.
1.
It brings conviction (Fear of God)
2.
Instruction (Glory to God – change of character)
3.
Judgment
You have been
shown that the message of 1840-44 is the foundation message. You have
been shown that the 1843 Chart was directed by the hand of the Lord. You
have seen the 2520 on the Chart. You have read 6 statements saying that
we have no new message and that message from 1840-44 is the same message
for today. The message that was preached is that message. Please read
the statement below.
I saw a
company who stood well guarded and firm, giving no countenance to those
who would unsettle the established faith of the body. God looked upon
them with approbation. I was shown three steps-- the first, second, and
third angels' messages. Said my accompanying angel, "Woe to him who
shall move a block or stir a pin of these messages. The true
understanding of these messages is of vital importance. The destiny of
souls hangs upon the manner in which they are received." I was again
brought down through these messages, and saw how dearly the people of
God had purchased their experience. It had been obtained through much
suffering and severe conflict. God had led them along step by step,
until He had placed them upon a solid, immovable platform. I saw
individuals approach the platform and examine the foundation. Some with
rejoicing immediately stepped upon it. Others commenced to find fault
with the foundation. They wished improvements made, and then the
platform would be more perfect, and the people much happier. Some
stepped off the platform to examine it and declared it to be laid wrong.
But I saw that nearly all stood firm upon the platform and exhorted
those who had stepped off to cease their complaints; for God was the
Master Builder, and they were fighting against Him. They recounted the
wonderful work of God, which had led them to the firm platform, and in
union raised their eyes to heaven and with a loud voice glorified God.
This affected some of those who had complained and left the platform,
and they with humble look again stepped upon it. {EW 258.3}
One Last thought:
Those who
engage in the solemn work of bearing the third angel's message, must
move out decidedly, and in the Spirit and power of God, fearlessly
preach the truth, and let it cut. They should elevate the standard of
truth, and urge the people to come up to it. It has been lowered down to
meet the people in their condition of darkness and sin. It is the
pointed testimony that will bring up the people to decide. A peaceful
testimony will not do this. The people have the privilege of listening
to this kind of teaching from the pulpits of the day.
But God has servants to whom he has entrusted a solemn, fearful message,
to bring out and fit up a people for the coming of Christ.
There is a great a difference in our faith and that of nominal
professors, as the heavens are higher than the earth. {2SG 299.2}
As stated before
I cannot change your mind I can only provide the Data which has been
given. The rest is between you the Cross and the Holy Spirit. There is
a platform for us to stand upon I heartily encourage you to stand upon
it.
God Bless
Sincerely,
Randy Moeller
www.2520yearprophecy.com
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